tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22583491.post1304296687746721044..comments2024-01-29T01:32:16.780-07:00Comments on 704 Houser Street: Stairway to SpiritUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22583491.post-86161311710074114312016-06-25T12:02:42.079-06:002016-06-25T12:02:42.079-06:00Heard this outcome mentioned on the radio the othe...Heard this outcome mentioned on the radio the other day and thought of your earlier post on the topic. <br /><br />The news story I heard made it sound like Zepplin won on a technicality, that the copyright only covered the sheet music.<br /><br />Netflix has a Keith Richards documentary. Keith tells of his meeting Mick in a train where one of them had some blues albums under his arm and the other comments to him that he thought he was the only Brit who enjoyed the blues. Keith then goes on to tell that in the blues he can hear Celtic folk tunes and that the melodies have gone full circle. You can really hear the blues on some of the stones songs, especially this <a href="https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QGi-Eq5MBbg" rel="nofollow"> one</a>.<br /><br /><br />John Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01077793417700366871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22583491.post-87784281710856146482016-06-24T08:53:03.810-06:002016-06-24T08:53:03.810-06:00Very nice update. Gonna be an interesting day now...Very nice update. Gonna be an interesting day now that the UK has chosen to kick Brussels out of the house.Susannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22583491.post-54025860889076762592016-06-23T13:28:01.306-06:002016-06-23T13:28:01.306-06:00Here's an even bigger list of cases. Note how...<a href="http://mcir.usc.edu/cases/Pages/default.html" rel="nofollow">Here's an even bigger list of cases</a>. Note how many big names there are in the "defending author" column; I never knew that composer John Williams was accused of ripping off the theme from E.T., for instance.WaterBoynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22583491.post-16700022854458289252016-06-23T13:16:38.804-06:002016-06-23T13:16:38.804-06:00Res Ipsa: "I guarantee that if Stairway wasn&...<b>Res Ipsa: "<i>I guarantee that if Stairway wasn't one of the top selling rock songs of all time, nobody would care about Taurus.</i>"</b><br /><br />Absolutely. You don't hear about this kind of copyright lawsuit very often, but when you do it's typically against <a href="http://www.fairwagelawyers.com/most-famous-music-copyright-infringment.html" rel="nofollow">songs and/or artists that hit it big</a>.WaterBoynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22583491.post-60868884123226530852016-06-23T12:50:29.081-06:002016-06-23T12:50:29.081-06:00Both of your points are probably in their decision...Both of your points are probably in their decision making process. <br /><br />Good analysis. Res Ipsahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16433725505878267643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22583491.post-38727933157637759142016-06-23T12:46:48.012-06:002016-06-23T12:46:48.012-06:00Well, apparently the judge thought they did. Or a...Well, apparently the judge thought they did. Or at least he didn't take the issue into consideration, possibly leaving it for the jury to decide.<br /><br />In either case, one wonders why the publisher (Hollenbeck) didn't sue the trustee (Skidmore) if they actually owned the copyright. The only thing I can think of is that they would let Skidmore fight the copyright infringement case, spending the trust fund money to finance it, then swoop in and claim the money as the rightful copyright owner only if the lawsuit was successful.<br /><br />Either that, or they thought they couldn't make a case in court for ownership.WaterBoynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22583491.post-92200356578018489842016-06-23T12:20:45.188-06:002016-06-23T12:20:45.188-06:00And justice is served.
I just noticed in that lin...And justice is served.<br /><br />I just noticed in that link that the people suing Zeppelin lacked proper standing to do so. Incredible.Res Ipsahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16433725505878267643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22583491.post-21745901518615191492016-06-23T12:17:17.892-06:002016-06-23T12:17:17.892-06:00S,
I wasn't reading anything into what you s...S, <br /><br />I wasn't reading anything into what you said.<br /><br />There has been no end of white boys copying the sounds and style of black musicians over the years. In the beginning they (either side) didn't think of it as wrong. Somebody was always free to take somebody else's old song and make it their own.<br /><br />It wasn't until large sums of money became involved that this changed. I guarantee that if Stairway wasn't one of the top selling rock songs of all time, nobody would care about Taurus.Res Ipsahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16433725505878267643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22583491.post-24612762393654619792016-06-23T11:57:23.059-06:002016-06-23T11:57:23.059-06:00UPDATE: Jury finds no copyright infringement in Ze...UPDATE: <a href="https://gma.yahoo.com/led-zeppelin-wins-copyright-infringement-suit-over-opening-172650215--abc-news-music.html" rel="nofollow">Jury finds no copyright infringement in Zeppelin case.</a>WaterBoynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22583491.post-44946840314881832372016-06-23T10:42:02.943-06:002016-06-23T10:42:02.943-06:00In keeping with the music theme, I happened upon a...In keeping with the music theme, I happened upon a YouTube video of a Military Montage done to AC/DC's live performance of Thunderstruck. Just our military blowing stuff to kingdom come in total cranky cobweb clearing awesomeness, no shots of the band. It made me tap my toes and bounce my head like an actual headbanger. Proud to be an American watching that video.Susannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22583491.post-26483298122943448042016-06-23T10:37:32.193-06:002016-06-23T10:37:32.193-06:00I totally agree with you. But weasel lawyers will...I totally agree with you. But weasel lawyers will use that 4 note chord to prove that "oh yes he did steal it", when the reality is just what you said. Anyone who understand the HOW of playing music gets it. The lawyers are depending on the judges who DON'T.<br /><br />Even Pat Boone in his heyday covered a lot of the black music of the time. He is credited in fact with making the whole black music scene more palatable to the white mainstream market. Then Elvis hit the scene and finished the selling job.<br /><br /> I enjoy the BB King's and others from that segment of music. I don't like to label it like the Left does. To me, it is just MUSIC that I happen to enjoy.<br /><br />If I gave the impression that I found fault with Page, I have none. I totally agree with what you are saying here. Somebody from England borrowed on it and made a big hit for his group. If the original artist didn't get royalties for that work, then that is the fault of the record label. They have a huge history of screwing over the black artists practically from the beginning.Susannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22583491.post-39608263039672200462016-06-23T00:23:51.015-06:002016-06-23T00:23:51.015-06:00Plus those seven notes were not a cord on an instr...Plus those seven notes were not a cord on an instrument. Making it harder to deny that they were sampling without credit.Res Ipsahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16433725505878267643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22583491.post-85000332285455709392016-06-23T00:21:44.919-06:002016-06-23T00:21:44.919-06:00I've got no problem with the fact that Jimmy P...I've got no problem with the fact that Jimmy Page admitted that he "borrowed" most of his inspiration from "Negro Blues" and by borrowed we mean took the dang song and basically redid it in a white boys from England electric style. He was very open about that.<br /><br />It gives him a little more credibility with me when he says that he didn't copy Spirit. Plus, its four notes, the same four notes that anyone picking the strings in order would produce. From there the entire songs are radically different.<br /><br />I don't think they stole anything.Res Ipsahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16433725505878267643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22583491.post-25780173708867582662016-06-22T17:43:00.780-06:002016-06-22T17:43:00.780-06:00In a Gadda Da Vida was a bunch of artists recordin...In a Gadda Da Vida was a bunch of artists recording late at night stoned out of their socks on everything from hard drugs to booze to smoking their gym socks. <br /> It is supposed to be In a Garden of Eden, but as wasted as they all were, that was all the singer could say. He could not control his mouth. I find that amusing actually. <br /><br /> But the reason why it is a favorite of DJ's to play on the radio, is at almost 20 or so minutes long it allows them to step away from the console for a break for whatever reason.<br /><br />Iron Butterfly did this originally, but some very diverse groups did covers of it. Like Boney M and the Incredible Bongo Band. Now THAT is a version I would like to hear.<br /><br />I haven't been following this case at all, but given how much of the music we hear is lifted from very old tunes that have no copyright protection, I just cannot get too worked up about this.Susannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22583491.post-20421888431084277162016-06-22T16:57:11.427-06:002016-06-22T16:57:11.427-06:00Been following this case in the news, and I'm ...Been following this case in the news, and I'm not sure whether <i>Stairway To Heaven</i> is infringing on <i>Taurus</i> or not.<br /><br />If you look at the Queen/Bowie song <i>Under Pressure</i> that was the basis for the lawsuit against Vanilla Ice (which they won), it was based on a progression of 7 or so notes; the similarity there was stark, but this case is less so.<br /><br />What I <i>do</i> know is that continuously shortening the length of note progression that can be protected by copyright will result in every single note combination of that length being registered such that no new songs can ever be written...until all those copyrights expire.<br /><br />I don't think that should happen, and would probably deny the claim if I were on the jury on that basis alone.WaterBoy on 6/22/2016noreply@blogger.com