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7/29/2014

Isreal

What should the USA's official position on Israel, its boarders etc be?

On one hand we don't need to have a position on this subject.  Israel is on the other side of the world from us, has no intention of invading the US and otherwise isn't a threat to our safety.  If Israel ever attempts to invade the United States, we should rethink our policy.

On the other hand, its none of our business.  None.  We don't have a dog in this fight.  Our policy should be to inform US citizens that hanging out in Israel could be unhealthy and that this year might not be the best time to take in that Holy Land tour that you always want to go on.  That's it.  It's not our country.  It's not even our neighborhood.  It's not our business. 

That whole thing in Gaza, that's a local police matter.  There is no such thing as a Palestinian.  There is such a thing as political Islamic terrorists who want to destroy a Jewish state.  Since Israel is that Jewish state, they should take care of the situation themselves.  If Jimmy Carter (the white Obama) would have butted out and let the Israelis solved their problem, instead of legitimizing the terrorists, the whole mess would have been over a generation ago.  Carter was looking for a positive footnote beside his name in the pages of history and screw what's best for America and everybody else.

What about the religious significance of Israel and the blessings of the Abrahamic covenant?  Well what about them?  Israel as it exists today is a secular parliamentary democracy with an underlying socialist philosophy much like the rest of the western world.  For arguments sake, and because it is a historical fact, lets consider the historic/religious aspect.

Some Christians believe they should support the Jews because God will bless those that bless them.  Fair enough.  Islam believes that the texts known as the bible are legitimate in so far as they don't contradict the Koran.  The Jews of course accept that their historic texts are accurate, although most Israelis are secular and not religious according to the Torah.  Do any of those books have anything to say about Israel's boarders?  The Koran. NO.  The Christian New Testament. NO.  The Jewish Torah.  Yes.  What it says is:
On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying: “To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates—the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites"
What that breaks down to is a land area that extends from Egypt on the South to the Jordan River valley on the east, the Mediterranean on the West and The Euphrates on the North. Historically Israel has never occupied all of this land.  However, the Bible says what it says and since three of the worlds major religions agree, in principle, that it is binding, so be it.

In that case, what should the US's position on Israel's boarder be?  The exact same as before.  So long as they stay within those binderies, we don't have a dog in this fight.  We need to butt out and let the IDF handle the situation.  The best thing we can do for Israel is stay home and shut up while they sort out their own issues.  The US will do a better job serving Israel, our own interests, and world peace by staying home and staying quite.  Need proof?  Ask the Christians in Iraq.  What can't find any?  There were communities of Christians living there, as they had for 2,000 years before the US came in and "helped" that country.  Now those that managed to avoid being killed are in hiding.  Sometimes you help best by not helping.

Which is why we should let the Jews fought their own wars, managed their own territories otherwise handle their own business.  These people have been fighting for close to 4,300 years.  We can't solve it.  We shouldn't try.

6 comments:

  1. Susan9:47 AM

    If the Hebrews had not tired of war and had finished the job God set them of clearing out the land, do you realize that several ME nations would not even exist today? Lebanon and Jordan for starters. The big dog in the ME would not be the Saudis, it would have been Israel. As it should have been.

    I think the big reason why final judgement hasn't started yet on the world is because there is still a lot of support of Israel. Once that finally goes away, then that will remove a big cork from God's wrath. My personal opinion. I think also that Obama has not done all that he wishes he could do to undercut Israel because he knows the evangelicals and others of this Country would rip him a new one over it. So like the proverbial child he is, he goes so far, and no farther.

    And when you read what God had to say about the Arab descendants of Ismael, He said they would live like a wild man among their brothers. Like the poor will always be with us, so will that wild man of the ME.

    You are right, we can't solve their wars. But heavenly blessings for supporting them in their endeavors will stop when the friendship and support stops.

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  2. But heavenly blessings for supporting them in their endeavors will stop when the friendship and support stops

    I understand where you are coming from on this. I have a couple of questions.

    Is the "support" that the US "gives" Israel really helpful or supportive?

    How has our "support" benefited Israel when it comes with strings attached?

    France, not the US was the largest supporter of Israel after WWII. When France decided it was no longer expedient politically to help Israel Nixon stepped in and sold them some military hardware, including jetfighters that let them dominate the air. Granted we sold it at a discount but we didn't "give" it to them. Because of that the US has tried to have a say in every military endeavor that Israel has been involved in. That hasn't been "helpful" to the Jews.

    Israel should solve its own military and security problems without our having a say. If we were to butt out, they would have solved the fighting in the Gaza strip in the 70's because they would have won. What would have been better for Israel, nearly 40 years of rocket and terrorist attacks or 40 years of peaceful settlements and economic growth?

    The US sells billions of dollars worth of military assets to other countries every year. We have sold some to Israel as well as Egypt, Jordan etc. This isn't standing with Israel or giving them some form of "biblical blessing". Its simply the US military industrial complex having a yard sale and letting the Jews as well as the Muslims trade cash for trinkets.

    Israel would do better in terms of her security without the US holding her back.

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  3. patrick kelly11:08 AM

    "heavenly blessings for supporting them in their endeavors"

    What blessings are those?

    The US didn't start supporting them until, well, 1948 when the current nation of Israel was established.

    Before that we grew and prospered, helped the UK win 2 horrible wars, and became a technological and economic powerhouse.

    Since 1948 we were able to ride the momentum slowly pissing it away on other ill advised wars and inflated spending at home.

    That's soon running the US into the end of the tracks and a brick wall straight ahead.

    The party will end, and the road does not go on forever......

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  4. Here is a policy that is our business: Stop giving our money to both sides. They are both big free independent grown up countries populated by adults. Let them act like it.

    And we can agree to sell them lots of guns and ammo if they pay cash up front.

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  5. The big dog in the ME would not be the Saudis, it would have been Israel. As it should have been.

    The Romans could not be reached for comment.

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  6. Here is a policy that is our business: Stop giving our money to both sides.

    I agree. We should stop giving American tax dollars to non-Americans especially when those dollars haven't done much good for anyone.

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